Friday, July 01, 2005

Same-sex marriage

It’s interesting to be in Alberta – on the edge of the Bible belt on top of that – as Bill C-38 passed. It rarely even comes up here and my impression is that it is simply so fervently opposed, why talk about it. You don’t find people sitting around discussing whether or not genocide should be legal. Things everyone agrees on, like opposition to same-sex marriage here, aren’t usually hot topics.

I tried to bring it up with some of the more apparently enlightened people I know here and they all just huffed, “so stupid” they indicated. I just don’t understand the mindset – where can the controversy even come into this one? – how can an intelligent person in the 21st century be AGAINST a RIGHT!? That’s all we’re talking about – expanding RIGHTS! The inbred rednecks that panic at the mention of making same sex marriage legal seem to forget the key word in that phrase – LEGAL, not MANDATORY!

I don’t particularly want to listen to country music all day, but I don’t think it should be illegal. That seems like the bottom line to me, we want to pretend we’re a great, enlightened nation, how can anyone be against allowing people to live their own harmless lives, no matter how bigoted and homophobic someone is I can’t imagine how the paperwork of a couple who lives on the block could possibly hurt them. I suppose if someone’s really that terrified of homosexuality that’s their issue to deal with, everyone has their own phobia’s, who am I to tell them what they can or can’t be afraid of, I’m not fond of small spaces – but what difference does the couple’s legal status make?

There’s the circular argument that gay marriage shouldn’t be made legal because we need to protect the traditional definition of marriage…which sounds like confused people saying the definition of marriage shouldn’t change because the definition of marriage hasn’t changed in a while. Obviously the whole point of laws in a progressive, democratic nation is to shift with the times. Women have only been allowed to vote in Canada for 87 years, are there people who oppose that change? Slavery has been banned in Canada for 212 years, I think quite a few people support that. Times and laws change, hopefully for the better, expanding rights is pretty much always a good thing – get over it!

Personally I don’t even get the appeal of marriage to start with, just to get divorced again, but that’s a separate subject.

If people want to be upset about people harming our world why don’t they focus on people who are harming our world? Why aren’t people more up in arms about white collar criminals, corporate raping and pillaging of the planet and people who leave their giant SUV’s running outside the gas station for 20 minutes on a hot day while they’re buying cigarettes and sweat shop goods? Or people building endless suburbs and highways rather than stopping for one second to consider the disastrous implications for our future.

Anyway I just caught a bit of the Canada Day celebrations on TV and I always want to be a proud Canadian – travel outside the country makes me more patriotic – and it reminded me of my embarrassment at being here at this moment in political history.

I hope I’ve offended some people so I’ll get some good responses. I’d love it if someone I knew could try to give me an argument against Bill C-38, I wanna hear a reasoned argument from someone whose opinion I respect (even just e-mail me if you don't want to post it). I’m going to head to the park for a Canada Day hot dog…er maple syrup dog? Happy Canada Day!

7 comments:

Dianna said...

"Inbred Rednecks" hmmm I resemble that remark... so you know it isn't illigal in Alberta to marry your cousin. (BC either!)
In Canada a couple living 'in sin' have the same rights as 'married couples when it comes to taxes. Once you have been together for 12 months with no breaks over 90 days a couple is concidered comman-law. Then after 90 consectutive days apart the comman law marrige is cidered over. No fees paid to the government. I you have cohabitated with someone for more the 6 months, half the stuff that you accumulated in that time is the other persons...several years ago the government allowed same sex couples to claim their taxes together, so why do they need to make it Legal? I once read a discription of marriage and the one statement that stuck was that the woman gets to use the man last name, so does that mean after divorce she should have to stop using it...

Dianna said...

My point is...that there is no real need to get 'legally' married. In France you can go to city hall and get a legal contract when you start living with someone, this is becoming more popular then Marriage.
I also think that our government has more important things to be discussing in Parlament. What does it matter if Fred and Bob have a paper that states they are married, they will never be able to make a baby together.
Why would you change your name to Penis, even if you can? Why not just call your self DICK.

Anonymous said...

Auren, don't u be making fun of Meet the Fockers, it was a funny movie, though i can admit it wasn't as good as the first one.

Anonymous said...

I have a comment to make about this same sex marriage issue. These people could be in the same boat as myself. I really don't care if they want to get married, to me it's their choice. The way I see it, as long as it doesn't harm me, I'm fine. This coming from someone who was raised in a catholic family. Personally, I'm tired of hearing all the talk and news coverage about something that maybe I'm too blind to see as a problem.

I tried to have a conversation about this with my mother and she really didn't have much to say other than she thinks it's wrong. Take into consideration that she is old school and very religious. I love my mother to death, but people such as my mother don't have an open mind to things like this.

Perhaps the politicians that are creating this bill can be put into the same category as her. I think it's just being made into a big deal. Here's a question to think about. Why is it so important for these people to have a document stating they are married? I know a person who doesn't believe in the process. He has his own family and basically is married, but doesn't have the paper work because in his mind it's a bunch of bullshit.

Maybe I'm off with this next comment and will fall into my classic category that I should clearly think before I speak or in this case right, but it's almost like the couples in these situations are trying desperately to seek acceptance into society.

This reminds me of the gun registry only in how much time and money is being wasted on this. The problem lies with the traditionalists who believe only man and wife should be married. I myself am not sure if it's right, but I won't interfere with someones happiness.

In a gist, this bill is a waste of time-I look forward to the day when its not talked about because I'm not sure it's necessary.

Auren, feel free to respond to this or email me, I'm curious to know what you think of what i have written.

Auren said...

I’m glad you responded Manny, you were of course one of the people I was thinking of when I thought I might be able to offend someone, but I have no real response to your response. I think you pretty much agree with my point - that it isn't a big deal, so if it is important to people to have the right then they should have it. The more important aspect is the symbolism of having equal rights and your comment near the end on it being about seeking societal acceptance is exactly the point – I think that is what they are trying to do, and I think that’s the way it should be.

I was a bit put off by your continual use of “these people” but knowing you I’m sure that was just poor word choice, I know you didn’t mean it that way.

I think you’re right that it is mostly an issue for old school religious types who, on the one hand can barely be blamed for their prejudices, but on the other are exactly the people we have to enlighten. Besides the fact is the bill passed and I think it’s now basically old news, I don’t think anyone really wants to keep dragging it out into a big issue except the most extreme right wing.

I reiterate, since you brought it up again, I’m not even a big supporter of marriage myself and am not arguing FOR marriage, I simply think if it’s important to someone they should be able to do it. Just because WE don’t think marriage is important why should we stop someone else from doing it?

In terms of comparing it to the gun registry waste of time, adding this bill to the law books doesn’t actually take any time or cost tax payers a thing, the blind opposition is the only thing that took any real time or energy.

Anonymous said...

Hi Auren, Yeah, I felt a bit stupid using the term "these people" because I couldn't think of the right term at that moment and didn't want to use the wrong one to seem more of an idiot. Now I feel like an idiot so it doesn't matter.

I tried to read some of your photo one and just had to eventually stop...sorry.

Alain Saffel said...

Actually, a big part of the whole gay marriage rationale is purely financial. They want the same rights as married couples when it comes to division of assets in the case of marriage breakdown, etc.

Pensions also play a role. At the moment, if you were a gay couple and your partner died, you would be ineligible for benefits.

Benefit plans are another part of it. Your partner wouldn't be eligible for dental, etc.

And, with the aging baby boomers, death is becoming more of an issue. How would you feel if your partner of 30 years was dying and you had no say at the end when it came to treatment or no treatment (when to pull the plug).

While gay marriage may go against the Bible, we do live in a pluralistic society.

It always boils down to money doesn't it?